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Think of these as "Lego kits" to build .. you will need to go seek out the appropriate "Lego bricks" from the rest of the wiki (listed on each page) to supplement your skills in order to build these Lego kits.
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Think of these as "Lego kits" to build .. you may need to go seek out the appropriate "Lego bricks" from the rest of the wiki (listed on each page) to supplement your skills in order to build these Lego kits.
  
 
=Simpler=
 
=Simpler=
  
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[[Resolution Skills]] includes links to resolution worksheets by Dr. Luisa Rebull. The most recent ones include some of the more general stuff there as well as sources specific to regions we were studying. Similar worksheets could be developed for any given region.
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[[Literature: Observation and Inference]]
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[[Resolution Skills]] includes links to resolution worksheets by Dr. Luisa Rebull (see [[Measuring resolutions]] and the Resolution worksheets linked near the bottom of the [[Resolution Skills]] page). The most recent worksheets include some of the more general information on resolution, as well as sources specific to regions we were studying in those years. Similar worksheets could be developed for any given region.
  
 
[[Measuring distances on images]] - includes link to activity [[Finding the velocity of a high-proper-motion star in IC2118‎‎]]  
 
[[Measuring distances on images]] - includes link to activity [[Finding the velocity of a high-proper-motion star in IC2118‎‎]]  
  
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[[Dustier, Messier Messier Marathon]]
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[[Getting your feet wet with images at IRSA]] - getting started playing with images
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[[Making 3-color images with IRSA tools]] - includes links to online lab on making 3-color images.
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[[Dustier, Messier Messier Marathon]] - explore what different kinds of objects look like in the visible as compared to the IR.
  
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<font color="red">''needs to be copied, updated, etc.''</font>
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[[Getting your feet wet with catalogs and plots at IRSA]] - getting started playing with catalogs (tables) and plots
  
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3-color image where your own image is one of hte planes (astrometry.net if need be)
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[[Gliese Catalog Explorations]] - things to do with nearby stars
  
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from a list of the ~500 closest stars, get Gaia, correct mags to get abs mag, get optical CMD (HRD). Extension: get 2MASS, WISE for same list. Make CMD. Why is it different? what different information is it telling you?
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[[Playing Around with Clusters]] - more advanced
  
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Making CMDs/color-color diagrams and color selection - [[Taurus catalog]] has a catalog of legitimate young stars. Use this catalog to devise your own color selection approach to find young stars. Where do these objects fall with respect to either the Gutermuth or Koenig colors? Which ones would be retrieved or lost by these color selections? Would your method work if your catalog had a mixture of young stars and field stars?
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[[File:Lab_Activity-_IRSA_Finder_Chart.pdf]] - Lab from NITARP Alumnus Danny Mattern. Uses Finder Chart to explore images of bright stars, with explorations into resolution/pixel sizes, space-based observatories. Also see [[File:Optical_Images_and_Stellar_Spectra_Lab_Activity.pdf]] which explores those bright stars in different ways (also by Danny Mattern).
  
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find rotation periods for set of K2 LCs - throw in periodic/not, noisy/not, sinusoidal/not, single/multi period, EBs
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<font color="red">''things that need to be copied, updated, generated ab initio, etc.''</font>
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* 3-color image where your own image is one of hte planes (astrometry.net if need be)
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* get list of cluster members. pull Gaia and 2mass and wise. make CMDs. get relative ages and disk fractions.
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* Making CMDs/color-color diagrams and color selection - [[Taurus catalog]] has a catalog of legitimate young stars. Use this catalog to devise your own color selection approach to find young stars. Where do these objects fall with respect to either the Gutermuth or Koenig colors? Which ones would be retrieved or lost by these color selections? Would your method work if your catalog had a mixture of young stars and field stars?
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* find rotation periods for set of K2 LCs - throw in periodic/not, noisy/not, sinusoidal/not, single/multi period, EBs
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* take an apparent visual binary and use Finder Chart and Gaia to determine if the two are co-moving or not. If they are co-moving, use POSS, 2MASS, Gaia, even PanSTARRS to determine orbit. Don't forget to do a literature search to see if there is more information out there on the stars.
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*"[[I need a sinusoidal light curve to play with]]"
  
 
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* [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uuyNLzeZxRqCoN_al1yvxqo-CL1nO7Gx?usp=sharing Images and Photometry with Image J] by Wendy Curtis, NITARP alum
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* [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JTeCs_wCAy53tWIKCqoyxTaicx1cmqCd?usp=sharing Distance to Cepheid in the Small Magellanic Cloud (SMC)] by Wendy Curtis, NITARP alum
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* [https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1EA9AFTcYP-XNaE0zec7FZxcC9-EGbkc-?usp=sharing Photometry of a Star Cluster -- Making an HR Diagram] by Wendy Curtis, NITARP alum
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*IC2118 project
 
*IC2118 project
 
*CG4 project
 
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*Li-rich giants project - extending to new samples, e.g., https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-020-1139-7?utm_source=natastron_etoc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=toc_41550_4_11&utm_content=20201107&WT.ec_id=NATASTRON-202011&sap-outbound-id=8AD016DDFB5DD0066576339CC17DD068DCD50FEF
  
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* [http://burro.case.edu/Academics/Astr306/ClusterAGN/SDSSlab.html lab on Abell 2065 using SDSS] - can we adapt to use IRSA tools?
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*[https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1WhQxvu80iw7yBbbeoiqOerrQo5eTe_VV?usp=sharing SDSS BOSS Plates Hubble's Law] - can we adapt?
  
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People want *anything* having to do with black holes. AGN light curves?
  
 
= bookmarked from before=
 
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[[Now what?]] So you've finished your year of NITARP and are looking for what's next...
 
[[Now what?]] So you've finished your year of NITARP and are looking for what's next...
  
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Disclaimer of sorts -- need to get words to this effect in here: So, I am worried about this (and about the goal you listed in your other mail). I don’t want to over-sell this. If learning how to come up with research ideas could be learned from a website, there wouldn’t be ~8 years of grad school, plus another 2-4 years as postdocs, before professional astronomers are “trusted” to come up with projects completely on their own. (Yes, grad school has formal classes, but one of the big things one is supposed to learn in these 10-12 years is how to come up with one's own projects.) This isn’t a well-scripted process that can be documented like you suggest, and it’s not something that is learned even in one distinct phase or month as a grad student. In contrast, I am hoping that reproductions of past NITARP work can be constructed so as to be well defined enough to let people reproduce them. But extending those projects to go further into original science really can’t be done without a scientist mentor. I've tried some of this before, and the problems have consistently been that the teachers working on their own ran into big problems but didn’t realize that there were big problems. One tried to present a science poster at an AAS with IRAC magnitudes that were all ridiculous, but because she didn’t ask for help, I didn’t know she needed help, and she didn’t know she needed to ask for help. I have several stories like this. This ends up making everyone look bad and feel bad. So I think we should DEFINITELY NOT market this as “learn how to do original research in 5 easy steps!” …because that’s not realistic. “Learn how to use IRSA tools to reproduce complex projects” is more where I’m aiming. And for the record, we do NOT want to wander into science fairs. That community of hyper-competitive science fair people is nuts. And I really don’t think it’s fair to take a project worked on by more than a dozen people and have one student present it as their sole work at a science fair. (This has happened!)
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= Vandana's brainstormed list=
 
= Vandana's brainstormed list=
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*How do observing strategies in the IR differ from observing strategies in the optical?
 
*How do observing strategies in the IR differ from observing strategies in the optical?
 
* Optical measurements of SFRs can miss a lot of the action.
 
* Optical measurements of SFRs can miss a lot of the action.
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* The resolution in the IR is different than the optical. What should the resolution of Spitzer be? Go get the images. Measure the PSF. Did you get what you expected?
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* The resolution in the IR is different than the optical. What should the resolution of Spitzer be? Go get the images. Measure the PSF. Did you get what you expected? <font color="red">(this one met by above materials)</font>
 
* How does a galaxy's morphology depend on resolution?
 
* How does a galaxy's morphology depend on resolution?
 
I wonder if JWST already has tutorials like these? I'm focusing on galaxies because I'm assuming the NITARP ones focus more on stars? I need to look!
 
I wonder if JWST already has tutorials like these? I'm focusing on galaxies because I'm assuming the NITARP ones focus more on stars? I need to look!

Revision as of 15:58, 17 May 2022

Think of these as "Lego kits" to build .. you may need to go seek out the appropriate "Lego bricks" from the rest of the wiki (listed on each page) to supplement your skills in order to build these Lego kits.

Simpler

Literature: Observation and Inference

Resolution Skills includes links to resolution worksheets by Dr. Luisa Rebull (see Measuring resolutions and the Resolution worksheets linked near the bottom of the Resolution Skills page). The most recent worksheets include some of the more general information on resolution, as well as sources specific to regions we were studying in those years. Similar worksheets could be developed for any given region.

Measuring distances on images - includes link to activity Finding the velocity of a high-proper-motion star in IC2118‎‎

Getting your feet wet with images at IRSA - getting started playing with images

Making 3-color images with IRSA tools - includes links to online lab on making 3-color images.

Dustier, Messier Messier Marathon - explore what different kinds of objects look like in the visible as compared to the IR.

Getting your feet wet with catalogs and plots at IRSA - getting started playing with catalogs (tables) and plots

Gliese Catalog Explorations - things to do with nearby stars

Playing Around with Clusters - more advanced

File:Lab Activity- IRSA Finder Chart.pdf - Lab from NITARP Alumnus Danny Mattern. Uses Finder Chart to explore images of bright stars, with explorations into resolution/pixel sizes, space-based observatories. Also see File:Optical Images and Stellar Spectra Lab Activity.pdf which explores those bright stars in different ways (also by Danny Mattern).

things that need to be copied, updated, generated ab initio, etc.

  • 3-color image where your own image is one of hte planes (astrometry.net if need be)
  • get list of cluster members. pull Gaia and 2mass and wise. make CMDs. get relative ages and disk fractions.
  • Making CMDs/color-color diagrams and color selection - Taurus catalog has a catalog of legitimate young stars. Use this catalog to devise your own color selection approach to find young stars. Where do these objects fall with respect to either the Gutermuth or Koenig colors? Which ones would be retrieved or lost by these color selections? Would your method work if your catalog had a mixture of young stars and field stars?
  • find rotation periods for set of K2 LCs - throw in periodic/not, noisy/not, sinusoidal/not, single/multi period, EBs
  • take an apparent visual binary and use Finder Chart and Gaia to determine if the two are co-moving or not. If they are co-moving, use POSS, 2MASS, Gaia, even PanSTARRS to determine orbit. Don't forget to do a literature search to see if there is more information out there on the stars.
  • "I need a sinusoidal light curve to play with"

Harder

People want *anything* having to do with black holes. AGN light curves?

bookmarked from before

wise lesson plans?

SOFIA lesson plans?

Kepler lesson plans?

oh, god, all the "working with" pages from all my summer teams up to a few years ago.

Misc. Lesson Plans, Activities, and Useful Websites Please feel free to contribute. We do ask that you include your wiki signature (click on the username/date stamp button in the edit window) when submitting lesson plans and activities. This will help users of the site in the event they have questions. Also, when posting a website, please provide a brief description of the site along with the web link.


Future Research Project Ideas Here is a place to explore future research project ideas.


Now what? So you've finished your year of NITARP and are looking for what's next...


Vandana's brainstormed list

xx just sent me this page, which should have a syllabus: https://sites.google.com/a/siena.edu/observational-astronomy/

Some ideas:

  • She has a lab about CCDs. Might be interesting to show how IR data collection is different.
  • How do observing strategies in the IR differ from observing strategies in the optical?
  • Optical measurements of SFRs can miss a lot of the action.
  • The resolution in the IR is different than the optical. What should the resolution of Spitzer be? Go get the images. Measure the PSF. Did you get what you expected? (this one met by above materials)
  • How does a galaxy's morphology depend on resolution?

I wonder if JWST already has tutorials like these? I'm focusing on galaxies because I'm assuming the NITARP ones focus more on stars? I need to look! In general, she's not that interested in teaching her students HOW TO GET DATA. That part should be incidental to the topics above, which she said would be the kind of thing she wants them to learn. Her link also includes a link to courses at other schools: https://sites.google.com/a/siena.edu/observational-astronomy/lab-resources/courses-at-other-schools

  • Showing that stars are blackbodies? Except when they're not!
  • Something about coordinate systems?
  • Making color images that actually tell you the colors of stars?
  • Comparing constellations with actual astronomical images?
  • Planning an observing run, making a finder chart.

This professor actually teaches the Aladin interface explicitly: https://web.njit.edu/~gary/322/

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